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On popular, name-brand Markers:

Fri Oct 10, 2008, 4:27 PM
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Note: I originally posted this in the "Art Scene" forum, but decided to post in in my journal also for future reference. All about art markers: Prismas, Copics, Neopiko, and Fiber-Castel. May update this as time goes on. Spread the word !!

Update: Revised links for Neopikos' merchants.

First off, markers (or any popular medium) will NOT make your art better instantly. You suck now, you will suck no matter how much money you (or your parents) throw on tools.
Second, only buy if your serious about actually learning to use your sought after medium, not because your favorite artist/studio/circle uses it (I'm looking at you "manga-ka" wannabes/ anime-tards especially).
Third, color theory, learn it and USE it. Chances are your art idols use these guidelines to make their art look good.
Fourth, art is expensive. It's up to companies/stores to set the prices. I'll include some tips to get a good deal on some types of markers. Otherwise, start saving.
And finally, don't expect to have perfect use of your new markers the first time. It takes time and practice to learn how to use them effectively.

Understood ? Now on to the the marker lists and tips. :nod:

Prismacolor markers. Widely known and a good starter brand. Double nibbed (thin point and broad), bight, saturated color, blends well with other prismacolor mediums and a lot of color choices. However they are overpriced at times, tend to bleed, short life and prone to fading overtime. The best place to to get them cheap (as in less than a $1 per marker in sets as of 10/7/08) is eBay.

Copics. Ah yes, Copics, probably the most popular of the marker world. I admit, I do love this brand myself. The Alcohol based ink allows for layering and excellent blending. Over 144 color choices, refillable, create custom colors and the Sketch line's brush nib is just superb. Now for the bad; for one the price. Expensive little buggers aren't they ? Plus these markers are what I call "picky", you need to find a good brand a paper depending on what coloring style you use. My main annoyance (from personal experience) is the colors come out looking a tad faded/pastel looking sometimes. And the airbrush system, OVERRATED. For the price and preparation you might as well get into -real- airbrushing. But if you choose, it's your money.
Again I recommend eBay for good deals. But a good place to buy them is copicmarkerS.com (aka periodstyle). They have decent prices and have pretty much every accessory for copics.

Neopiko/Deleter markers. Chances are, you haven't heard of them. Pretty much the same as Copics Ciaos actually, just cheaper. They come with a brush nib and small broad nibs. I like the fact Deleter packs them in particular sets (gray shades, skin tones, brights, etc.) Extremely helpful, especially if you're not sure what colors you need. Only drawbacks are they are not refillable (as far as I know) and very tough to find. eBay seller "Oozak Online" [link] sells them up to 50% off and ships fast. If you don't have an ebay/paypal account, BlueLine Pro has them, but be aware they sell them full price. [link]
I highly recommend these, especially if you plan to get Copics later on.

Fiber-Castel art markers My personal favorite. I've only recently started using them, but they work wonderfully. (The inking fineliners are very nice also)
Very saturated in color, blend well and dry quickly. Plus they aren't "picky" when it comes to paper like Copics (they're Indian-ink based) and are fade resistant. They also come in sets, but with only 6 markers per set. Unfortunately they are expensive also, not great for shading large areas, not many places carry them and very limited palette; only having up to 48 colors. I found DickBlick.com sells them about 50% off retail price. If you can't get them online, HobbyLobby carries them, but at full price.

As for paper, I highly recommend the "Cartooning Paper" from Hobby Lobby (under the name "Big art Brand"). It's coated (giving it a semi-gloss) and allows for most marker inks to dry relatively quickly and blend well. Even works well with Sharpies and Gel Pens. The drawbacks on it though it's lightweight (causing it to bend easily) and sometimes out-of-stock.
There is also Comic art paper under the "Fan Boy" brand (also sold at Hobby Lobby). Sometimes come in sets (storyboard/cover pages). Pretty good also. They are a tad expensive and you may/may not use some of the pages in said sets.
As for "Copic" paper, don't bother. Just overpriced brand paper. They do work OK, but not enough to justify the price.
Cardstock/Bristol is often used by professionals with the aforementioned marker brands. It works with some people and not with others. In my personal use, Prismas, Sharpies, Fiber-Castells work well on them, not so much Copics/Neopiko.

Feel free to ask additional questions, post tips and such. I don't expect for everyone to agree with my post (and may have pissed off some anime-tards =P). Hope this insight will help you. :nod:

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:iconvamptod:
thnx 4 the info ive always wondered were to get em cheaper :D

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:iconlady-jonia:
No prob. :)

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:iconshadowivy:
I say "pshaw" to the anime-tards. :lol:

In all seriousness; fantastic guide you've put up based on your experience. The first four points should be drilled into anyone that takes in interest in markers, or any medium for that matter. Just because it's a well-known brand or tool, doesn't mean it's going to automatically make your work better. People seem to forget that great results come only with a lot of work, patience, and practise. [/preachy]


I'm a religious user of Copic, but I still use my Prismacolors from time to time, and I have actually used Neopiko and can vouch that they're quite good as well. I was always curious about Fiber-Castell's markers, and despite the limited palette, I'm still willing to try them out. There's more than one style of colouring anyway. :)

I really liked the run-down on papers. I sometimes use Bristol paper for my Copics stuff, which yes; it does look a bit faded and I often have to do some tinkering in Photoshop to bring out the colours better. One brand of paper I often use is Borden & Riley Paris paper #123--they seem to take to Copics pretty well; at least based on my experience. I absolutely agree that Copic brand paper isn't the best investment--it's decent, but there's definitely better and at a lower cost. I'll have to look into that cartoonist's paper they carry at Hobby Lobby.

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:iconlady-jonia:
Cartoonist's paper is just great. If you can get past the crappy-ass cover illustration, there is a marker pad made for Copics from Hobby Lobby also.

Fiber-Castells are just...amazing. The blending makes up for the limited color pallete. :nod:

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:iconshadowivy:
I'm sure the crappy cover illustration won't scare me off! I may have to look into HL's Copic-friendly papers as well.

I'm thinking you may have me sold on Fiber-Castells (though really, I'll take on any opportunity to play around with new tools!). I can definitely work with a small palette; the blending ability is too good to pass up!

Oh, and I'm going to be subsequently linking this journal into my own so that more people can read up on this. :thumbsup:

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:iconlady-jonia:
My husband loves my grayscale marker shaded pics more ironically. (Got the grayscale set to hold me off until the color set comes in next week, freakin' awesome brush I tell ya.)

Thanks for the linkage. So kind of you ! :hug:

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:iconsoadfreak:
yeah, Prismacolor's are pretty good, but they are indeed pricey!
Fiber-Castel's though, if I had a complaint, is that they die quite quickly.

My fav ink pens are Staedtler, which aren't too bad on price.
The color one's are too bright for my style, but they are water-proof and great for certain things. They're also not so picky.

I've been looking into more sets though, so thanks for the input! My friend used to use Sakura ink, do you know about those?

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:iconlady-jonia:
Sakuras are alright, but I prefer "Millennium" multi-liners. I'm assuming you're talking about inking pens right ?

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:iconsoadfreak:
yes, I use them more than markers since they're cheaper and easier to carry.

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